greatdaneservicedog @ 5:32 am
Shabah’s natural ears
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Several breeds of dogs will often have their ears “cropped” as puppies, 7-9 wks old. This means the ears have been surgically trimmed into a triangle shape and taped to stays or devices to help them stand up. Today cropping is falling into disfavor amongst dog owners and veterinarians.
There are some with very strong opinions about cropping and not cropping. Like most things were deep emotion is involved, the arguments can get disrespectful. I’ve been told I “mutilate” my dogs, that I am an abuser…that’s a very extreme sort of attitude and not productive. I’ve also heard cropping advocates be equally hateful back. There is no reason for that sort of nastiness from either camp.
I’m not ideological about anything much, preferring to let people decided for themselves what is best for them and their dogs. There are legitimate reasons on both sides, and the decision to crop or not is a personal one. The only surgery I’m ideological about is spay/neutering, and not because I feel a certain way: because casual breeders and puppy mills have done enough damage to the overall health and temperment of Great Danes.
Originally, cropping in Danes was done to prevent painful and infection prone wounds to the hunting dog, from the tusks of wild boars and claws of bears. I don’t think anyone uses Danes to hunt wild boar these days, but the cropping is still done. From some of the comments and emails I’ve gotten, I think I will explain why.
My service dog Kenai is cropped for several reasons. Those long soft natural ears get caught in things, living in the country. Barbed wire fences, wild roses and blackberries…and with all the packs, harnesses, and equipment he’ll wear as a service dog, there will be ample opportunity for getting cut or torn ears.
Natural ears are a nice large target for the teeth and claws he is likely to encounter at some point in his life: snakes, groundhogs, wild turkeys, ferrile cats, bobcats, and even the occational black bear or mountain lion from the national forest nearby. Feet can be moved quickly, but ears don’t move away so fast. I’ve had dogs hurt by groundhogs, snakes, and barbed wire. It was the uncropped ears that got the worst of it.
I don’t want Kenai to be injured, and injury is a real possibility, considering he is quite the bull elephant. His brother would run away from danger, but Kenai would charge in ready to protect his brother or any of the human family. At all of 4 months old he chased off a neighbor’s dog that was growling at my 2 year old neice while I was pulling weeds on the other side of the yard. So yeah, my bold puppies get cropped.
Natural ears also have problems with crease sores and blood blisters, mites, and ear infections. Some ears are heavier and longer than others, and they can have lots of problems. I had one Dane with heavy ears who ripped off scabs from his blood blisters, and sprayed the floors, walls, and ceilings with blood for over six months before we got them healed. They returned throughout his life. His crease sores never did heal, despite all the care. Another Dane had his ears cleaned every single day trying to prevent his frequent infections. So my puppies with thick ear leather get cropped too.
One argument against cropping is that it is painful. I have heard puppies yelp when tape is removed from a fresh crop, and I’m sure that there is discomfort for a couple weeks. But done properly, the taping and suture removal does not cause crying. And the pain does not persist. It is no worse than the spay/neuter surgery, or dew claw removal. And certainly not as painful as healing a shredded ear.
I am very fussy about who does the surgery, and equally as fussy about how gentle and quick the vet is that retapes. I don’t like to hear a puppy cry! Is it a necessary surgery, no. Is it severely painful? No, not in comparison with orthopedic or abdominal surgeries that Kenai’s littermate BB will have to endure.
BB will not be cropped. BB had 2 massive hernias repaired at 3 weeks old, he’s looking at several surgeries to return use of a hind leg, and I don’t feel that a cosmetic surgery would be appropriate for him. Especially considering how close he came to dying, and the fact that cropping is not a “necessary” surgery. Luckily he isn’t as adventurous as his brother, so he doesn’t go ripping through wild rose bushes and would run away from a snake. All the same, we will have to watch him more closely.
Another argument against it are that it is “purely vanity”. I disagree somewhat with that for the reasons above. Yes, there is the issue of appearance and personal preference. But there can and are medical problems with natural ears. Myself, I really prefer a fawn Dane to be cropped, and that is for appearance. At the same time, I prefer the blacks and other colors uncropped because they are less intimidating to approach for most people. That is also for appearance’s sake.
There can be problems with cropped ears as well, if it is not done well. One of my Danes had an ear that “flopped” where the ear naturally creased to bend. As with any surgery, infection can also occur. Ear cropping is an artful surgery. Once cut to narrow or too long, there is no fixing it. And I do not retape: I leave that to the practice and expertise of a vet.
So if you are going to crop your Dane’s ears, research the vets that crop. Ask show breeders who they use, and if they’ve had any “unsuccessful” crops with that vet. And insist that they follow the surgery guidelines for Great Danes from the Great Dane Club of America. ( www.greatdanelady.com )
I always ask for a medium crop, because that length stands easier. I don’t show my dogs, so I don’t want the extended taping time of a long show crop, which can be months or up to two years. Puppies that are cropped after 10 weeks can also take longer to stand nicely. Kenai was cropped when I got him, and it is a show crop. 11 wks later, he still can’t hold them up for more than 3 days, which is normal for a show crop. Such is life.
Hello,
I am very glad I found your website because I am in the process of making arrangements for my dane to get his ears cropped in about a week and 1/2. The vets requirements are that I bring pictures of exactly what I want, and that I am in the surgery room while the procedure is being done to watch. I want my danes ears to be cropped exactly like Kenai’s. Is there anyway possible you could send profile pictures of his face and ears to my e-mail? I’d greatly greatly appreciate it. I don’t want them to in anyway make the ears too long or too narrow.
Thank you so much.
Liz
e_mclain628@hotmail.com
How do you find a vet that is experienced in cropping great dane ears. When I lived in Phoenix there were several vets that specialized in ears and did an excellent job (e.g. my dane only required one taping after surgery and they were show crop and never did go down. I now live close to Springfield, Mo. and would have no idea how to find a qualified vet.
May I ask what vet yu used to have your great dane pups ear chopped by. I live in Mesa az and am having a hard time finding a good vet.
Hello I left a mesage on another page but can I also hace good pics of kenai to show my vet
Shannon
Hi,
I the front picture, what are you using in his ears to help the tips? I have a 12 mo old who’s tips will still not stand but i’m sick of using full posts. This looks like it could be an answer !
Hi,
I have acquired an awesome 4 month old Dane I have named DUKE ( Probably a common name I am sure). I have only had him a week and I am having great difficulty in getting him to walk on a leash. He keeps the collar on but is very timid of the leash.
I had a terrible episode with him this morning which has left me unsure and sad about how I treated him.
He had run off on me and I had to chase him around the house and a neighbors house. By the time I got to him I had lost my temper and was quite angry. I cornered him on my back porch put the leash on him and when he would not move I dragged him along and off the porch.
All hell broke loose and he wailed and yelped and kicked I feel so bad he was shaking and crying and now I feel I have ruined my dog and destroyed any hope of training him.
Please if you have any good advice on what I should do at this point and how I can repair the damage done I would be so grateful. I have vowed never to do this again to him and want nothing more than to provide him a good home.
Sincerely,
Andrew
i need help please …all my dogs have there ears cropped i have been looking for one vet or animal hospital that does ears cropped and can’t find one in my area,, i really would appreciated very much thank my zip code is 10025 NY NY
For ear tips, you can use breath rite strips and apply with a skin bond or other skin safe adhesive. They will fall off on their own in about a week.
I do have a question though. I have a cropped Dane who’s ears do stand 98% of the time. She does have places where she is not comfortable and will paste her ears flat back. The vet and show are two places in particular. I have read and read about the cause and from what I gather it is that she is either timid or fearful in these places. What can I do to help her overcome her fear and timidness at the vet and show?
I recently had my 6 1/2 month old Dane neutered. My breeder never mentioned at what age I should have him done. My vet said anytime after 6 months of age. Now, I am hearing that neutering early will take away the masculinity from him. He has a Champion blood line. His breeder has been breeding for over 20 years. I am shocked that she didn’t tell me this when we got him. Please let me know your thoughts. He is 7 1/2 months old and currently weights 124 lbs.
The trend to neuter giant breeds at 18 mo is fairly new, and really only starting to be proposed in the vet and breeding circles. There’s a great deal of arguing about the pro and con of later castration.
Breeding lines make a big impact on the final size and muscularity of a male. Other factors are color, diet, and exercise. Some males will be only slightly different or indistinguishable from their unneutered littermates, and some will be drastically different from neutering.
The real difference that has been observed is in the rate of bone growth in neutered vs intact puppies and adolescents. The tendency is to grow faster and taller than an unneutered male, and that is what’s responsible for the “weedy” or more delicate appearance in some early nuetered males.
There is often less muscle but not always. Again, genes and environmental factors have an impact. With faster bone growth comes a higher risk of orthopedic problems, though how much if any hasn’t been studied yet.
I had a pair of littermates, one intact merle 40 pounds heavier/3″ shorter than the neutered mantle with the same diet and exercise conditions. I alos had a neutered mantle who was heavier muscled than the littermates we saw from time to time. Alot of that was the differences in diet and amount of exercise.
Your boy is good sized, 124 pounds at 6 mo, so I wouldn’t be too concerned about his final adult appearance unless you see him starting to get very much taller than his male relatives. Most Danes are scrawny and weedy looking until around 12 mo old, when the upward growth slows adn they begin to fill out.
The idea of castration at maturity is too new to have much by way of scientific studies behind it. It takes about 10-20 years for “new” ideas to become the norm in the vet and breeding circles, so I’m not surprised your breeder didn’t have anything to say about it. Many breeders don’t have an opinion, and leave the choice up to the pup’s owners.
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Lisa
Hello everyone!
Im new to greatdaneservicedog.wordpress.com.
Hope I can be a regular here!
Hi,
I just found your site and thought that I would say that I did crop my Great Dane’s ears and he was fine….some discomfort and I would not do it after a certain age but it is not “all that” for mercy sakes. I am disabled and Beau was a fawn 2 yr old…very strong and bold….his ears made him even more handsome. As I am at home all of the time he and I were constant companions…one in mind heart and soul. Beau knew what I needed even before I did…he was amazing like that.
He was murdered by a vet that I trusted on 4/04. He went in for a routine neuter and was over dosed with Previcox had a full blown Gastrointestinal bleed and then given a incompatable blood transfusion. I am not wealthy and now I am sattled with 1800.00 vet bill…..after they killed my only friend and family. I will never be able to afford another and not sure that I could bare the loss again…..I can’t talk anymore….i am devistated and lost without him..
he was my life ~
lyda…alone again….
oh Lyda, my heart goes out to you. There are not words to ease the loss, but I’ll hope and pray for you.
Hi,
My dog is 4 and a half months old. Is he too old to have his ears trimmed? He is a beautiful blue dane.
Thanks for your help!
Hello,
I came across your website desperately searching for some answers for my great dane Tango,
Tango is a mantle, I got him in January of this year. He was a breeding dog who became retired. When I first got him he had a cut on the end of his right ear, I was told it was from playing with the other dogs and it will heal, He has now lost chunks of his ear from splitting and the left has now begun to do the same. He shakes his head alot, I took him to the vet as my house looked like a slotter house from all the blood he sprays everywhere from shaking , he is on meds for ear infection for a month now but does not seem to be helping at all, what can i do to stop this? I love my baby and hate seeing him in so much pain all the time
thanks for listening
Oh poor guy, having ear problems. Are his ears natural or cropped? It’s much harder to stop damage on the ends of natural ears.
It does concern me that the previously uninjured ear is now starting to show the same problem. Are biting flies a problem where you are? Sometimes flies will cause secondary infections and even make parts of the skin die. Fungal infections too can do that. If not, then the head shaking is probably the culprit.
As long as the vet is sure there aren’t any secondary infections of the ear skin, I would talk to them about taping the ears over his head for awhile so the ends can’t swing around. On top of the head would also allow the inner ears to stay drier and make the infection easier to treat.
The swinging and slapping against the head is what produces most of the new splitting, and bleeding. It also doesn’t allow the already damaged areas to heal. It’s a fairly unusual thing to have to do but your dog’s ears are only getting worse on you, so it would be worth considering. I’ve had to do it once for a dog who simply wouldn’t heal up without it.
A vet that does ear cropping in puppies will certainly know ways of securing the ears with as little tape on the skin as possible. The tape will have to be changed once a week or more, for a good cleaning of the damaged areas, but this might give your boy’s ears a chance to heal.
Good luck, and let me know what the vet says?
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Lisa
Hi, I own a Kangal dog, thats 9.5/10 months now, is it too late to get its ears cropped? I know someone who got their Kangals ears cropped after 9-10 months, but im not completely sure, please bare in mind I don’t want to make the ears pointed, just all of it off, most Kangals ears are cropped like that