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Tips for SD training March 14, 2008

greatdaneservicedog @ 6:02 pm

I continue to collect tips and suggestions for service training a puppy (or dog) from internet groups and friends. I will add to this page as Kenai and I learn. I have discovered there are some very big differences between the basic obedience training I gave my rescues, and SD training. When it comes to teaching commands, the standard petsmart companion class skills are not always practical in the situations that an SD faces.

I do not know what skills are taught to guide dogs, hearing dogs, or other SD, but what I need from Kenai as a mobility assistance dog is a little different from companion obedience skills, and I’ve “tweaked” his commands. Take ‘come front’ as an example: in classes the dog is told to stay and you walk away, then call him to come, or ‘come front’ for competition dogs.

I don’t want Kenai to sit or down in front of me, because he will almost never sit facing me in our public work. He will be at my left or right side. Had I thought about that, I wouldn’t have bothered with the “come front” command, and taught him that come means to return to me and wind up on my left or right side (come heel, come side) every time. I could have skipped the come front in favor of come heel or come side and not spent the time and energy on something he will not use.

Some things you can’t really prepare for, like Kenai deciding to do his sit/stays facing backwards. How was I to know he’d do that? Never seen a dog sit backwards! Every dog will have surprises like that, I suppose, but I just bet having trained him to hold his focus on me would have prevented him from wanting to watch what all was around and behind him. Silly boy! 

This compilation of tips and thoughts isn’t in any prioritized order, and far from complete, but you might find some very helpful ideas. If you would take the time to leave a comment, I’d be happy to add or address specific ideas, problems and such. Leave me a name and a way to email you is all.

Socialize, socialize, socialize the little ones

The most important thing in training a service dog is teaching them to be calm anywhere, anytime, around anyone in public. The younger they are when you start (8-9 wks) the better! They will have developmental periods where timidness or excitability just appears. But in my opinion, socializing them is actually more important than obedience training early on–you can’t teach a pup, or get reliable responses if the pup’s uncomfortable.

I wish I had exposed Kenai to more noisy, busy places, or had someone to do it for me when I couldn’t. Anywhere crowded, loud, and full of activity will make their later behavior better. Concerts, fairs, livestock auctions, downtown streets, family reunions, farmers markets, hardware stores, baseball games, doggie day cares, yoga or aeorobics classes, Bluegrass festivals, movie theaters, dog parks, plant nurseries, parades… you name it, get them exposed early and often.  

Speed of learning

There are phases of development in a puppy, with lots of factors involved. But generally, the best idea is to start their socialization and basic obedience the moment you get them home. Young puppies learn very fast, and can retain skills they learn at that age better when the stubborn puppy phases come, or if bad experiences affect them. And that will happen.

Slower is better. Most people, myself included tend to get in a rush and see if their pup can pass the Good Canine Citizen test faster than anyone else. What I’ve learned is a fantastic pup can come apart on you for a week or more, and you find yourself working on the most basic of skills. Puppies have phases! They do not mature, setting their personality and habits, until 2-3 years old depending on the breed and the pup. There is no reason to get in a hurry.

There are a few things I wish I had known and worked on with Kenai from the very start. The most important was something that often gets overlooked: shaping his overall focus. Had I known how much of a struggle it would become for him to keep his attention on me in distracting situations, I would have taken advantage of his pliancy at 9 weeks old to heavily reward him for watching me until it was a default behavior.

The Most Important Skill to Work On

Of all the commands and tasks that a pup has to learn, the one I’ve found most important is loose leash walking. I’ve taken some negative comments for not wavering in expecting Kenai to walk at my side without pulling or setting the pace. Sure, he had his sled dog periods, but I never stopped asking and expecting a loose leash walk from day one. It came naturally to him, then it had to be taught. But we’ve never stopped focusing on it.

Now that we’ve switched from leash to guide harness, I have a deeper appreciation for all the effort and consistant practice we put in. Now he’s not just near my side, he is AT my side, bumping bodies close. The times he would try to drop his head for a sniff on leash pulled my arm a little, but if he tries it in harness, it pulls my body to the side.

Think of a loose leash walk as a waltz danced at arm’s length. There’s more room for error, and a little imprecision doesn’t make much difference. But when you’re leaning on a harness handle, the dance is more like a body rubbing tango. He is both more able to balance me, and consequently more able throw me off balance in a harness.

Retrieving, basic puppy

Most pups haven’t learned much about toys. I know my Kenai didn’t. Pups fresh out of a litter are used to horsing around with littermates, which is essential for them to learn the basics of bite inhibition and other social skills. Toys are usually as new to them as the house you bring them into. And Danes aren’t natural retrievers like labs, so with Kenai I had to start from the very basic beginnings. 

A friend who also has more than one pup in the house (oh the funnies and exhaustion), Roni http://www.myspace.com/mililponiesnfriends/, wrote this email to me for teaching Kenai how to retrieve, and I add it here with some editing (my spelling isn’t so hot either) and her permission.

“The biggest thing is he is only 8 weeks old and at 8 weeks he is just starting to see toys as fun. Work on just building his interest in them by taking the ones he likes and giving a two inch toss or even just keep it moving in your hand. That may only interest him for around 20 seconds, and you want to make sure that he doesnt lose interest in the toy before the game stops.

So find out how long you can get him to show interest then stop right before that happens. If he will follow the toy in your hand and try to get it even the smallest amount for 2 minutes…you play for 1 minute 30 seconds and stop, leaving him still wanting to play. You would do that twice maybe three times a day at this age. After around a week or so you can up the time you play.

Also you want to make playing with the toys with you the best thing possible. even if he shows no more interest then watching you…you toss the toy up and even play catch with yourself you want to show how much fun you have playing with the toy. Even if that sounds a bit dumb it does help.

Now is the time to start working when he is next to you–put a toy in his mouth even if that means you open the mouth and you put the toy in there telling him the command you want him to use for picking something up. Say “take” (mine is pick up),  praise, and then say the command you want for him to give it to you, like “give” (mine is let go) and praise him. This may mean you have to hold the toy in his mouth so he won’t drop it before you tell him to. It is slow but it works. and you can make sure you teach it right that way.”

 Another friend added that I shouldn’t scold Kenai for picking things up, like slippers or towels in the laundry. Except of course for something dangerous. Just have him bring it to you and praise him for it. I add, that afterwards, you keep your slippers off the floor or you’ll get more practice at this than you wanted!

More than one puppy

Having more than one pup can cause some serious problems in service training. I got myself a double whammy by bringing home a pair of brothers. I was willing to take on the added difficulties because my Mom wanted BB so much. So I have already learned a very valuable lesson in the days they’ve been home with me: their relationship affects everything.

Kenai alone is already a gem at 9 weeks, walking with me undistracted by trucks, shopping carts, and will walk past people or dogs if I keep going. But if his brother is with us, he’s not going to mind or even pay attention. It’s already happened, only 4 days in. A second puppy can both complicate the progress, and help it if there is a competitiveness between them.

More than one pup is more work, and personally I don’t think I’ll try it again in my weakened state. But many people prefer having several pups to watch and choose their SD from. Much of that decision is based upon your time, energy, and budget.    

Sit and auto-sit

Sit is the easiest puppy class skill there is. When they are fairly calm, I start by having them learn their name means to look at me. Just swipe a treat in front of their nose, call their name as you move the treat up to your nose. They’ll look at you. Then move the treat towards their nose, going slightly above their head so they put their head up, and say “sit” as they plop the puppy tush down. If they back up instead, place them so their butt is against a wall, and they will sit.   

My boy has excellent sits, and I can’t really take credit for it. By nature Kenai is calm, and would rather observe the goings on before he gets into the middle of something. He sits and watches first. Then he bulldozes his way in. 27 pounds at 9 weeks is big enough to win the litter rumpus. Anyway… Sit on command took less than one day to teach. 

He just naturally sits a few moments after I stop walking, and watches me. It’s referred to as “auto-sit”. I was super proud of that, thinking how grand it was he would do it without me teaching him. Now you see the difference between my experience at rescue rehab in obedience class and SD training–an auto sit can be a very bad idea if you need a dog for balance. It’s fine for dogs that are not used for balance. But not if you’re dizzy.

I do like the auto sit in public, because it is such a very polite way to greet someone. Kenai as a service dog has to be as unobtrusive as a Great Dane can be in a grocery store. His behavior must be absolutely impeccable, maybe even more so than for smaller breeds of service dogs. An auto sit gives an immediate impression of calmness and control.  

Yet since I need Kenai also for balance, I’ve decided to teach him an additional word: “stand” or “brace”. If I see him ready to sit when I stop and I need him to keep my balance, I will have the option of intervening in the auto sit when I need to. Mostly his strength will get me up and down stairs or inclines, but there are times I do get light headed and wobbly. So that beautiful Dane brain will have to expand its vocabulary.

Down stays

Another thing I didn’t take into acount when teaching and practicing down stays with Kenai, is the fact that the dog has to be under the table, or in the case of Danes who won’t fit, right beside my seat. Kenai prefers to down with a little room around him. Oops. The class tendency to practice with a dog while facing them has struck again. I should have taught him to down at my side, and against the chair, right from the start.

Teach your SD pup to sit and down on your left side (heel), or your right if that is the side you need (come side). And to practice it in tight spaces. I need to get Kenai to down EXACTLY where I want him. His body is going to be near 3 feet long, so the butt sticking out would interfere with traffic. No rump rolling, my love!

Oh, and teach them to tuck the tail, so it doesn’t get stepped on…

Bracing, Backpacks, Carts and Harnesses

NOTE: Kenai will not be bracing (holding my weight) until the growth plates in his bones close, and he is an adult. The back pack he will wear even as a puppy will not have any substantial weight in it, either. Never, Never, Never put weight on a growing puppy, or you could seriously damage their bones and joints. Their SD career would end before they took off the in training patch.

That said, I started teaching Kenai about 4 months old to stand in front of me when I want to get up from or sit in a chair and putting my hand on his shoulders. No weight, just the pressure of my hand. And when getting up from the floor, Kenai comes to either heel or right side as I ask so I can put a hand on him. It is simply to get him accustomed to the procedure we will use when he’s old enough to really help me get up and down.

At around 8 months old, I started teaching him to go up one step and stop, waiting until I was on the step with him. Then I say step, and he goes up one more step and waits. This is something I will need him to do so I can get up the stairs on my weak days. I plan on teaching him to go down one step and wait once he has the idea.

Great Dane SD pros and cons

I’ve had a life long love affair with Great Danes. But my main reason for  wanting a Great Dane for a Service Dog was the one reason no programs and few trainers will accept them: their sheer size.  When I get a real screamer of a migraine, I can become practically blind, and have very poor coordination.

Sometimes the CFIDS (chronic fatigue immune dysfunction syndrome–now you know why I abbreviate.) will make my muscles shakey and weak, to the point that they simply quit working. I’ve been caught in public when I walked to far, then lost all control of my leg muscles and couldn’t walk at all for a time. There are inmumerable places I have not gone, and outings with friends I’ve skipped because I wasn’t sure my body would hold out.

So Kenai was chosen for both body, mind, and spirit: he is calm, highly intelligent, and BIG. His sire was the sturdiest, strongest looking Dane I’ve ever seen, and I’ve had Danes that reached 220 pounds without being fat. Benicio had giant feet, and his chest/shoulders were so wide and muscled that my entire hand could rest on the withers with room to spare. And he has a sensitivity and thoughtfulless.

Bennie, Shakira Kennels Benicio, Shakira Kennels.

In fact, when I met Bennie, I was having trouble walking that day. He skipped the doggie hello procedures and went right to sniffing my left leg. Then he looked up at me like he knew. He walked beside me the rest of the time I was in the yard, even pushing the excited brood bitches away from me so the swinging Dane butts didn’t knock me down. When one young sweet bitch swatted me he gave her a warning growl. I leaned on him a little and he never moved, just gazed at me as if he was glad to help. He had no training for this, he just did it. He’s a Dane. So I have high hopes for Kenai.

The down side of a Great Dane SD is very real: they are prone to illness, and age as quickly as they grew. The average life expectancy of a Dane these days is a pitiful and heartbreaking 7 years. So after 2 years of training, you could have as little as 4 years of service before age gives them mobility problems. And if they fall victim to illness, there is far less time.  

 

6 Responses to “Tips for SD training”

  1. Nancy Says:

    I love Danes, I have one beautiful female. It has to be very impractical to teach one to be a service dog. Will your condition worsen? Whose going to teach a GD then? Your going to be training one every two years if they only live 6 yrs. on average, after the 1st one. With the hip and joint problems they have. Oh my!
    Don’t get me wrong, I’m not criticizing you. I’m just thinking about the average Dane. Emergency bloat situations? Will you be too fatigued to save your Dane?
    If you can train dogs to be service animals then I applaud you. It takes a special someone to do this. Other wise the V-8 commercials come to mind. You could have had a wonderful service dog. With a long life expectancy. And still have a beautiful gentle giant. Who will take care of your SDGD when they get a bit older?
    I am sincerely interested in your answers other wise I would have never posted a comment. I’m also, sitting here glancing occasionally at my 8yr. old Dane whose snoozing contentedly
    on the sectional. I know I only have so much time left with her. I’ll be the one taking care of her, not the other way around.

  2. I’m really glad you left this comment–I replied via email, but there’s some really important topics that you brought up, about Danes and about service dogs. You’ve inspired me to write a post about choosing a breed, the additional difficulties the disabled have in raising and caring for a dog. Thank you so much!

  3. Cathy Says:

    I too am training a Great Dane for my service dog. I am so glad you cautioned against the competetion style obedience training, I have balance issues and do not want my dog to sit everytime I stop or even on a recall ( in case of balance issue when called, want him to be standing). I have had danes for over 30 years and even with the possible problems that can come up, I don’t think there is a better dog. As long as you are careful in getting one, checking out parents health clearances and grandparents as well, they will do as well if not better than any other breed.
    The other person who posted, brought up many things that could happen to any service dog healthwise. Those same issues can happen with any of the breeds. I wish the general public was aware that a service dog is very well cared for, have the best vet care, very balanced diet and are much loved, more so than many of the average pet dog.
    I have just retired my old German Shepard service dog at the age of 9, and she will live her life out with me in retirement.
    Most people I know have a back up person to help in the event their SD gets ill etc. as well as a vet who is on call 24/7. My vet is close enough and will make house calls on a moments notice, all it takes is a phone call in case of emergency.
    Good luck to you with your dog!

  4. J.D. Says:

    First, let me say, as far as training a new dog every two years, not really. My Dane is a little over four, I got her when she just over one. I started her service training when she was two. She’s been my service dog for two years now, and she’s doing great. I fully expect to retire her at about seven. I’ll start looking for her replacement when she’s around six. Most of the Danes I’ve had and known have lived, on average, about eight to ten years. Check with breeders and find a good breeder who is breeding for health and longevity; they’re out there.

    I rescued Indie when she was a just about a year old. She weighed forty five pounds, and besides being starved almost to death, she had been severely abused. When I rescued her I didn’t have high hopes for this dog, but I didn’t need a service dog at the time either. She was just a dog in need, and we felt, with lots of TLC, she could be turned into a good family pet. When we first brought her home you couldn’t pick up a pencil to write down a phone number without her running and hiding; she felt that anything in someone’s hand was a weapon. It took about a year to socialize her.

    About the time she started to come to realize that she was in a good home and no one would ever hurt her again my doctor started hinting that I needed some assistance. He was thinking wheel chair, and I was thinking no way in hell! I was walking then, I’m still walking now, and I’ll fight every inch of the way to, at the very least, maintain the status quo. So I said, “How about a service dog? He said, “The VA is not going to pay for a service dog for you.” My response was, “Write me a letter of need and I’ll take care of providing the dog. I’ve been training dogs for thirty odd years, I don’t want anyone training my service dog but me anyway.”

    I knew I needed a big dog, I’m six foot three and weigh over two fifty, The minimum recommended weight for a dog for my purposes is one hundred pounds, so I decided to work with Indie. I figured if it didn’t work out I could always get another dog, so there was no harm in trying. I already had the basic obedience training down, and she was finally getting past being overly timid. I started with simply getting her to brace me while standing. I’m a combat wounded disabled vet, and I get vertigo, and my legs get week from my spinal injuries. She took to the task with no problem, almost as if she had been born to it. The second task was bracing me while I get out of a chair, again no problem. Then I worked on her bracing me hands free, and guess what? Danes like to lean on you. It worked out great, when I have to use both hands to write a check or something I tell her to brace, and she leans against me while I push back against her with my knees.

    The next thing I did was spend about two hundred hours taking her to places where dogs are allowed, like pet smart. There I taught her not to sniff at the items on the shelves, and to ignore other people and animals unless specifically told she can be social, and, of course, she learned to walk steady beside me while I push a shopping cart.

    The next place I took her was Starbucks. They don’t allow pets, but the orange vest with ’service dog’ written on it is all that is required in Florida. She did great and we worked on the command “Place”. When I tell her ‘place’ she lays down and stays where I put her while I do things like add cream and sugar to my coffee. She ignores everything but me, and only moves when I tell her “Up”. She will come looking for me if I’m out of her sight for more than a few seconds, but that is by design in case I fall down and need her to assist me getting up. The place command is great in restaurants, too; I simply point under the table and say “Place”: usually no one realizes I have the dog with me until we get up to leave.

    She wears a harness, but I only use a small strap hooked to that, and she understands the command “Hold” which means she needs to bull up and hold if I pull on the strap. I taught her that one because when I get dizzy I fall backwards, so she ‘holds’ in place while I get my balance back. I also use a leash, and she easily differentiates between the following the leash around her neck and holding against the strap on her vest.

    Now I have no real info on Indie’s breeding, and I’m thinking back yard breeder, or puppy farm, (no reputable breeder would have placed a dog with her first owners) so I’m not expecting her to live to a ripe old age, but my vet feels that she should make it easily to eight or nine, and I agree with that assessment. However, I’ve started making contact with breeders and will actively start looking for a pup in about two years. The way I figure it, Indie will assist me for the first year of the pup’s life while I get him/her trained, and then she will retire and be the family pet and live out the remainder of her life in luxury and comfort with the people she loves. If retiring seems to upset her, I can still use her as much as her health permits rather than have her get neurotic because of being replaced as my service dog.

    Sure, Danes don’t have the life spans of smaller breeds, but I weigh too much to trust a sixty pound lab to be able to hold me up, and big dogs that are good at load bearing like Saint Bernards, and Newfies are too short at the shoulders to brace me. It’s got to be a Dane. The only alternative would be a Wolf Hound, and not only do they not live as long as Danes, the average cost is three thousand dollars or more. Nope, a Great Dane is my only choice; that or a wheel chair, and, not only can I not teach a wheel chair to “Cover Me” at an ATM machine, the wheel chair doesn’t stare up adoringly at me when I pet it.

  5. These are some excellent comments! Danes fit a niche in the needs of people with disabilities that no other dog really does. In addition to being the ideal size for folks that are tall or heavy, they are quiet natured. Having chronic fatigue and weakness, I can’t provide adequate exercise for the notoriously high energy pups so often used for service work.

    Every breed has it’s pros and cons, and the trick to getting the dog you need is 1) knowing what you need, 2) knowing what you can do, and 3) choosing the breed that best fits your needs and abilities.

    Keep up the good comments! I love hearing from other Dane SD owners!
    –Lisa, Kenai, and BB

  6. J.D. Says:

    The thing to remember about Danes not being high energy is that the pups still need to run a bunch, not only for proper growth and development, but also so that they can develop the muscle condition, and the stamina they need to help me move my fat butt around.

    So, if keeping up with a high energy dog is a problem for someone they should find an adult, or at the very least make sure they can make daily trips to someplace where the pup can run and fetch, and just be a puppy for a couple of hours. The couple of hours can be broken up into half hour stints if necessary. Otherwise, find an adult dog that is compatible with you.

    This is one of the reasons that so many service dogs are first placed with foster families. It gives the dog a chance to be with kids and just grow up naturally through the puppy stages while not putting an undue burden on a handicapped individual. I applaud those families who are willing to make this sacrifice, since they have to get attached, and then give up a dog they have grown to love. However, in my not so humble opinion, it is better, if you are up to the task, to get the youngest dog you are capable of handling and raise it yourself to avoid any confusion the animal may suffer from being shifted around from owner to owner. Dogs thrive on stability.

    That raises another point. Just because a dog is of a breed that will make a good service dog, don’t commit a lot of money up front before you get to know the dog a little. Dogs are like people in the respect that they have their own personalities.

    I’m no gifted, expert service dog trainer, Training Indie was my first time with a service dog. I trained dogs in obedience, and then specific tasks such as drug dogs, explosives dogs, police dogs, and personal protection dogs. However, those lines of work are also partnering the dog to the handler, and good paring is important.

    It’s a little less critical with a young puppy because, like any growing child, their personality isn’t set until they get past the toddler stage. For dogs that’s about three to four months. However, if you are going to rescue a dog, or buy an adult, make sure you get along fine before you commit and take the dog home. The last thing you need is a battle of wills while you are training the animal. It’s better to let a really beautiful dog you aren’t compatible with go, then get attached and find that you not only need a new dog, but you now have to place a Great Dane somewhere.

    I’m not saying that people shouldn’t find and train their own dogs, but just be aware of the possible drawbacks in doing so. There are a lot of online resources, do your homework before you make the commitment.


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